[CSM] Slaaneshi Army List (1st revision)

[SILKiam]

Heya. Thinking about starting a new army (effectively my third finished 40k  army, but about my 4th time starting a chaos army since 3rd ed) based around traitor battle sisters "The Brides of Fulgrim".

And before you say anything - checked with the store that I usually play at and I got the Okay for the "counts as" nature of this army.

On with the show.

-HQ-

Chaos Lord: Mark of Tzeench, daemon weapon, daemonic steed = 175 points.


-TROOPS-

10 Noise Marines: 8 Have Sonic blasters, 1 has a blastmaster, Champion with power weapon, doom siren = 285 points.


10 Noise Marines: 8 Have Sonic blasters, 1 has a blastmaster, Champion with power weapon, doom siren = 285 points.


10 Noise Marines: 8 Have Sonic blasters, 1 has a blastmaster, Champion with power weapon, doom siren = 285 points.

-Heavy Support-

Chaos land raider: Havoc Launcher = 235 points

Chaos land raider: Havoc Launcher = 235 points


Points = 1500

 

[Tau-killer]

Firstly, I would say that broadly speaking, these plans sound perfectly sensible and reasonable.  I think that it would be a good idea to expand and diversify away from a strictly Tau centred website, and on to other gaming systems, especially given the relative decline in Games Workshop recently.

Furthermore, the idea of a new website is an extremely good one, and I can't argue with that idea in any way whatsoever.

However - and I bet you all know what I'm going to say next - the Enclave is too big, is it?  Gosh!  Now where have I heard that before?  Oh wait, it's been said every few months or so for roughly the last three years!

I mean, for goodness sake, this is so predictable now that it's almost funny.  Every few months or so we seem to go through an irrational 'Enclave panic' phase, where certain groups of mods seem to decide (for no objective reason whatsoever) that the Enclave is too big and needs to be scaled back, otherwise it'll take over the whole forum and destroy us all, etc etc etc.

With regard to Enclave Games specifically, all I can say is that this issue was discussed before.  And it was quite sensibly decided that removing them entirely would be a very bad idea.  Why?  Because all that would happen would be that they would turn up again in the main Enclave!  The very reason that board was created in the first place was because the Enclave was being clogged up with all that nonsense, and people were crying out for a separate board into which they could all be shoved, out the way!

Now, I never use the Enclave Games myself, but upon a quick browse through it, I certainly can't see anything wrong.  Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, but I can't see any flame wars, or other such bad behaviour.  Given that to be the case, I have to ask what the point of getting rid of it would be.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
 

[Tybalt Defet]

It's the fact it's a full board for, what? I think five or six games are still active, if that.


I think this is a pretty good idea. Any kind of time frame for this?

[Hella]

Why not let all those games go ahead, but remove them once they become inactive for, say, 3 months? That way people can still have their fun, but they won't clog up all the space. To be frank, I don't want them gone, I've never seen them properly.  :'(

[Unholy Harbinger]

To be honest I don't see what the trouble is with enclave games. All the really spammy stuff goes there and we can use ignore board if it is annoying us whereas if it was in the  main asylum we wouldn't be able to.

Also while I agree we could do with more actually hobby posting many people stay just for the enclave and at the end of the day most people agree that second sphere has a community like no other and a lot of that is to do with it.

[Tybalt Defet]

Well moving the focus off Tau and off 40K in general will allow for more content. There are three people I believe working on entirely new systems, each different, down on the hosted projects section. There will be plenty of new content coming in with these changes and what's already happening on the boards.

[Dragonborn Seth]

The Enclave Games are hardly rough and rowdy, that's not the point in removing them. They're being considered for being phased out for a few reasons. Mainly, they're spam. They just are. Most of the games (most of which are dead lately, thankfully), require almost no actual thought when it comes to making a post. We've always had the Spam Thread for such thoughtless posting.

Removing the board wouldn't result in them taking over the Enclave proper because because such game threads would... probably be locked or removed.

If the Games got more traffic and had more content rather than Spam Thread Mark 2, Mark 3, Mark 4, etc. perhaps this wouldn't be so...


Hella, believe me you're not missing out. None of the games are much fun and most of them are dead.

[Tau-killer]

Hella, believe me you're not missing out. None of the games are much fun and most of them are dead.

Speak for yourself!  For a start, the mafia and diplomacy related threads have always been popular and well subscribed.  And I wouldn't describe either of them to be particularly spam like

Now, I personally have never found games like 'Opinions on the Above Poster' and 'The Three Word Story' to be particularly 'fun'.  They're the kind of threads I might post in a couple of times, but after that not for a long while!  But enough people obviously do find them fun and enjoyable, else they would not exist - and the former in particular would not have wracked up over 2,000 posts!  And, needless to say, both of those threads have been posted in within the last few days.

So your point here is obviously wrong, since, quite clearly, enough people do find them fun enough to post in.

Furthermore, I really do have to shake my head in despair at your suggestion that

Removing the board wouldn't result in them taking over the Enclave proper because because such game threads would... probably be locked or removed.

Really?  I mean, are you actually serious?  If so, then this is completely ridiculous!  This is an internet forum, for goodness sake - an online, free to join, internet community - not a Games Workshop University!  Primarily, this should be a place where people like to be, and where people enjoy posting, not a place where people feel under pressure to write essays all the time!

Of course there is a balance to be struck.  Of course we want to encourage good quality discussion of warhammer and gaming associated topics, within the appropriate boards.  And this does happen.  But the suggestion that classic old threads like 'The Three Word Story' will no longer be permitted here, is just too ludicrous to take seriously.

[Dragonborn Seth]

Hella, believe me you're not missing out. None of the games are much fun and most of them are dead.

Speak for yourself!  For a start, the mafia and diplomacy related threads have always been popular and well subscribed.  And I wouldn't describe either of them to be particularly spam like

Both of those games have ended up in either the Enclave or the Roleplay boards in more recent months, so that doesn't justify the Enclave Games board.

Nobody is forcing essays or removing the casual atmosphere of the Enclave, you're exaggerating in a near-comedic fashion. The Enclave Games board is useless, very little of worth goes on there, and I think it'd be fine to clean it up whilst rearranging the rest of the forums and updating the site.

[Unholy Harbinger]

The point stands that there are still extremely popular games that under the proposed rules wouldn't be allowed. When I ran survivalist it was being posted in more frequently than the spam thread, you can't say it is merely a minority.

[Tau-killer]

Both of those games have ended up in either the Enclave or the Roleplay boards in more recent months, so that doesn't justify the Enclave Games board.

As a point of fact, I dispute this.  As far as I can see, both of those are still in the Enclave Games board, and I can't see any sign of them whatsoever in the main Enclave or in the Serious Roleplay board.  Of course, I'd be happy to acknowledge that I'm wrong if you can provide an appropriate link.

 

Nobody is ... removing the casual atmosphere of the Enclave

That doesn't tally with what FT said:

We would like to stress that we are in no way removing the offtopic side of the forum, but instead we wish to redirect its focus from its current spam based content to a more mature discussion of topics not focussed on miniature gaming.

You (collectively) say that you are not in any removing the offtopic side of the forum, but the trouble is that you're trying to have your cake and eat it.  You cannot say that you want a 'more mature discussion of topics' and not acknowledge that this will inevitably lead to a less casual atmosphere.

[Dragonborn Seth]

Since when are maturity and casual...ness mutually exclusive? Does that mean we can only be casual if we're immature? I'm really not following.

Hmm, I suppose they are not anymore. I know at least one of them was in Serious Roleplay for a time, perhaps moved. Though I don't think a move is justified as games like Three Word Story really don't compare to Diplomacy.

[jhontauel]

I may only be a lurker but it sounds fun and reasonable.  I found the group because of tau. I followed to second sphere because of the quality and I stay because of the community.

[Tybalt Defet]

Both used to be in SRP but the people running the games this time put them in enclave games.

This debate has been had since enclave came into being. Until now, enclave games was a really popular and active board. While couple threads are still used, the board as a whole isn't used as much.

[Finn]

I think most of the Enclave Games should go and proper, non-spammy games like Diplomacy and Mafia can be put under Serious Roleplay (Actually, maybe you should rename it to Serious Role-Play and Games).

Also, don't forget Fantasy! COME ON! If you really want to move away from Tauism, add more Fantasy boards!

[Will's on Fire]

I agree that some more focus on fantasy would also be nice, along with warmachine and all the others.

As has being said before, most of the enclave games are dead, or dying. One thing I don't understand is why all the old ones are there and locked. They may as well have been deleted on the move of the archive over. This along with many of the old main board enclave posts.

As for the spam thread, I personally feel it should stay. There is nothing much wrong with it, and it can give a place for people to make comments they can't elsewhere on the forum.

Other than that, I like this idea!

- Will

[Finn]

One more thing; I think the Spam thread should be a lot less about spamming and a lot more of actual discussions about random topics.

[Mabbz]

One more thing; I think the Spam thread should be a lot less about spamming and a lot more of actual discussions about random topics.

To be fair, plenty of real discussions start in the spam thread. They last a page or two and fizzle out, usually. Any longer than that and they should have their own thread anyway.

[Khanaris]

I think the easiest thing would simply be to restrict spam to one thread.  So Enclave "games" are fine, but only when they are not based around spamming.  So you keep the Mafia threads but discard the three-word-story threads.

I think moving away from Tau is probably a mistake.  The internet is an ecosystem of sorts.  If you can not carve out a unique niche, you are going to struggle a great deal against larger organisms in the same niche.  When Tau Online was running well, we had little competition.  We weren't trying to be a Space Marine forum, and ATT had a different focus.  So we brought in a lot of Tau players.

But if our focus is all of 40k we are competing with a lot of very large and active forums.  What reason will there be for any new member to sign up here?  What can we offer that they could not find elsewhere?

[Farseer Del]

It's not so much moving away from Tau as expanding other aspects really. Perhaps we could establish a number of niches, using our Tau heritage to ensure it's many niches -one website

But the fact is we never were a Tau site even with the name. TO was always more generalised but with a Tau aspect fuelling it. 2S as a name illustrates that our basis is the same in that the term is Tau-like,  but it refers to the site itself in that we're aiming to expand a bit beyond what we were in many areas.