XV25 painting question

[Fratercula]

Hi Folks.  I've got my 6 stealth suits painted black and I'd like to paint them in the same style as the reddish colour suits that appear in the tau codex on page 53 but I cannot figure out what this colour is called.  I'm new to tabletop war games and I don't have much familiarity with the GW paints and their names but I'm guessing that it may be scab red thats been darkened a little.  Am I in the right ballpark or do you have a better suggestion on how I can achieve this colour with GW paints?

Also, since I'm asking.  What do you suggest i highlight the black with?  I tried Space Wolves Grey on one model but it looks brutal 

[LordZanuu]

To highlight the black I recommend a darker grey, such as Codex Grey.

I think the dark red colour is a mixture of Red Gore and Scorched Brown, try it and see if it works



     - LordZanuu

[the crazy one]

I just used the darkish red one, can't remember what it's called but I'm pretty sure it's scab red. Turned out fine, very similar to the picture you're talking about.

[Fratercula]

Thanks guys.  I'll give both a shot and see what I like.

[Cammerz]

GW brand emery boards,
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat470003a&prodId=prod1380018a

GW brand brush and file,
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat470003a&prodId=prod1380022a

And here's the interesting one,
Liquid Green Stuff!
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat470003a&prodId=prod1380020a

[SILKiam]

Ooooh!! That liquid green stuff might be interesting.

[Dragonborn Seth]

The Liquid Green Stuff certainly has me intrigued. The rest is nothing novel.

[Tom]

I can't help but think that the liquid green stuff might be a response to some of the problems with finecast occasionally having bubbles in it. But that may well not be true and it sounds useful for other things.

I wonder how viscous it will be. I don't imagine you'd want it to be runny. Maybe the consistency of paint or a little thicker? Then it might be useful for filling in larger gaps without running out of them again but there may well be other uses where you might want it to be a little less viscous.

[Narric]

I can't help but think that the liquid green stuff might be a response to some of the problems with finecast occasionally having bubbles in it. But that may well not be true and it sounds useful for other things.

I wonder how viscous it will be. I don't imagine you'd want it to be runny. Maybe the consistency of paint or a little thicker? Then it might be useful for filling in larger gaps without running out of them again but there may well be other uses where you might want it to be a little less viscous.

There are some pictures of one of the hobby team using it on [that Ork Warlord on Dragon/Wyrm/Wythrn] model, and it seems the same consistancy as brand new paint.



Liquid GS is probably the only thing I'd buy individually. I may however buy a Tool case, to get all the goodies :3

[Renzokuken]

More overpriced tat from games workshop, I've always found their modeling tools to be either poor quality, or overpriced. Sometimes even a combination of both, the only thing in that entire category I like is their modeling knife and even then I replaced their blades with ones from a xacto-knife.

Luckly I haven't even looked at any games workshop tools, since the horrific air-brush they released, which happened to be  the single most returned item during the entire time I worked for them.

As for liquid greenstuff.. that's kind of like me selling you a car with a broken wheel, then later selling you a wrench to fix it. It's an absolute joke, and I'd sooner return finecast models over and over again than pay more of my money to fix them myself. Although I can see it being useful for other non-GW related projects I've got going on, such as filling some of the more annoying panel gaps on some of my gundam models.

[Masked Thespian]

I'm sorry, why does this exist?

Because it would be highly remiss of Games Workshop to not provide the tools required for the hobby, even if you can source them cheaper elsewhere.

Look at the following scenario.  A new player walks into a GW store, and proceeds to spend £300 on a starter box, army book/codex, and miniatures.  They get to the till, where the staff member says, "You'll need some superglue to assemble your models."  "Can I buy some here?" asks the customer.  "No," says the staff member, "You'll need to travel down to the nearest DIY shop that's around 3 miles away to buy some."

It's not exactly customer friendly if they don't stock the items that are required for the hobby, or even items that are just "nice to have" for the hobby.

Whilst I can understand, and recommend, people shopping elsewhere because it's cheaper, Games Workshop has to provide these items, even if they have to mark them up because they themselves are bringing them in from a different company and repackaging them with their own brand, for the sake of the hobby.

[Khanaris]

I think these exist because GW hired one or two folks a while back to come up with a line of modeling supplies external to the models and paints, and they justify their existence periodically with stuff like this.  But they don't have the volume of other craft suppliers, so the price would be higher even if they weren't trying to make a profit.

GW really should have just opened relationships with other hobby supplies for stuff like this, but they are sticking with the old model of having every last thing in their stores be marketed and manufactured by them.

[Farseer Del]

Look at the following scenario.  A new player walks into a GW store, and proceeds to spend £300 on a starter box, army book/codex, and miniatures.  They get to the till, where the staff member says, "You'll need some superglue to assemble your models."  "Can I buy some here?" asks the customer.  "No," says the staff member, "You'll need to travel down to the nearest DIY shop that's around 3 miles away to buy some."

"...But Poundland is across the road."

And thus GW is accused of being in cahoots with Big DIY...

It's correct to say GW supply it because if they didn't they'd look stupid, but at this point the only one looking stupid is the consumer.  I'm sure if we look at every GW in the UK on Google maps we can find, within ten minutes walk, a cheaper location to buy 80%+ of the tools GW sells at a premium price, and the other consumables are also a lot cheaper elsewhere. Quite often the same tools in fact, or superior. £4 for 5g of superglue in GW? Same amount in Poundland gets you 80g of glue. There's things like paints and epoxy that won't be so accessible of course but anyone savvy enough can just go online for them and find them cheaper with ease.

End of the day, GW's tools are a con. Anyone with the information knows the alternatives are cheaper and as effective, or better. If GW think for one minute they'd realise that the overpricing can't last forever - the bubble will burst. 

I honestly think GW is doomed if they keep up their isolationist policies. The model they have barely worked twenty years ago - in the information age, pretty much all they can sell viably is miniatures in their setting. Tools? Cheaper. Rules? Easily pirated, slow to update, not available in electronic format like practically everything else (lo Kindle) and competing companies have elected to throw rules up for free. Oh, and none of the rules are given beta testing in public. Fluff? Well, when fanfiction.net has better writers than some of yours (Ward, Goto), you're in serious trouble. When something called Harry Potter and the Thousand Sons has more respect for the background and the playerbase than your canonical Grey Knights fluff then you're in serious trouble.

Games Workshop claim to sell models first though. If that's the case, why do they insist on providing the secondary materials as second-rate, and the primary materials of increasingly questionable value for money and overall quality?

[Thantos]

Ahh Liquid Greenstuff, now thats what ive been waiting for! Great for sorting those hairline gaps out.

 Ive been using Vallejo Plastic Putty up until now (which is essentially what this is... but this is green ) and this GW stuff is cheaper than vallejo, and easier to get your hands on too.

They can keep the brush and the nail files - But everyone should have a pot of liquid greenstuff for sorting those gaps