Y'He Or'es Cadre vs Space Wolves [1850]

[crisis_vyper]

Now, I enjoyed the battle report and all, but I will just put what I notice about the topic as a whole;

1)Note the fact that the background for the battle report is essentially a campaign rather than a tournament, and thus in more ways than one, you will see that most lists tend to be a little over the top. If this is competitive play, you would not really see lists like those. 3 scoring units without much support is kinda scary for competitive lists especially when two out of three of the scoring units are so vulnerable to incoming fire.

2)Any SW player would attest that the characters are seriously bloated, and generally you try to take the most lean and mean characters around, rather than chunking a whole lot into characters and hope it will fly. Since I do help my friends play their wolves from time to time, I have to agree that the list is somewhat more casual and fun over competitive. Any sane SW player would insist on taking lots of Grey Hunters and putting the Wolf Guards as their pack leader, and pumping in the numbers, unless the character can indeed support the entire army in more ways than one.

3)As VV1D would attest, time spend on the hobby dies not correlate with the capability of the player. I have known people who had been in this hobby for 10 years and they still did not get some things right, especially when some of them decided to come back during the newest edition of the game from 4th or even 3rd edition rules. ON the other hand I have seen people who have played for 8 months and are generally amazing plyers till the top players are paying attention to their potential.

4)Your list on the other hand is somewhat there to kill marines, which it does admirably but against a player who is not really there to compete with you, it tends to be a rather oxymoron state when the army does not have enough to deal with your units.

5)Tau is competitive enough, but the fact still remains that they do need some way to make them more effective in what they do, as most armies out there negated and even surpassed the specialty of the tau. The only way for a Tau player to survive these days is to mech up and hope for the best. Drones form vehicles are kinda stupid right now as they are essentially free KPs for the opponent, thus forcing the FoF to be phased out rather violently and the fact that the Tau vehicle's abundance of str 5 weapons kinda make us rather weak when it comes to aggressive play with our vehicles as they are primary vehicle weaponry, not secondary like in the rules of 4th ed.

So that's what I notice, and generally I believe that Tau can still be played, but not to the extent that we used to enjoy back in the days of 4th edition.

[Enderwiggin]

Enderwiggin,
10 Battle Reports from now you'll be repeating that phrase, that all of my opponents had brought a poor list to the table. If it wasn't that, you'd include something like, "you were lucky".

As long as you keep facing lists like that, then of course my tune won't change. As for the "luck" issue, I never called you lucky. Now I have seen numerous other members post that you seem to have the luck akin to a super Irish man with horseshoe piercings and using illegal  gaming growth hormones (GGH: ground up leprechaun and four leaf clovers in a 4:1 ratio; Banned by the Geneva gaming convention of 1337). But me? I just think your oppo's are bad. I don't care about luck tbh, because I see rolls being pretty average for people in the end. 

The point of the battle report, and those that follow, is not that I can win with Tau. It's the fact you can play competitively with them to a point that you can wipe out an entire army list with ease. For some strange and odd reason, that doesn't seem to interpret that against a better army list, perhaps this wouldn't lose so poorly?

Competitively playing does not equal wipe out porr lists. It means playing people and, more importantly, lists that are actually considered deadly by frequent tournament use or widely recognized efficiency.

If its capable of wiping out the extreme side of multiple numbers with spammed units as well as a few, hardened Space Marines army list, with so few losses, that is not testament that it cannot do well in a tournament, or that it would be easily destroyed by a balanced list?

We do not know what this list would look like after a game with the caliber of opponents we are calling for. I would take bets against you from my own experiences, but none of us (not even you) can truly say what would happen until said event.

*shrugs* But I wager you'll be singing the same tune about how your awesome list fares against everything under the Sol and you indicate we're all equivalents to gaming retards for not somehow finding the oh so secret uses of Vespid and Ethereals. Ask yourself, seriously now, the actual reasoning behind why we don't use "your" combos of units?

I don't know about the rest of them, but speaking merely for myself I've tested out the various choices in my codex to a ridiculous point in the search to find what works. Low-level games, yeah I could actually see myself using Vespid if I still had them because they did perform well around the 750-1000 pt mark. Past that and they got far to costly for their effect. Ethereals? They have a place in some army lists, but like the Vespid, high quality lists are not that place. You and a scant few others seem to want otherwise, but can't provide conclusive support outside of your own anecdotal experiences whereas the rest of us can draw upon National tournament examples (admittedly getting fewer and further apart recently) in addition to our own experiences.

[Droofus]

The battle reports themselves are a tribute to a number of comments I've seen on TO, not just a bat rep. It's a reply to those comments, not something I'm getting defensive over.

Suggestion:   maybe next time you could post your report in an more neutral way and then post your defense of your tau tactics on the Tau Boards and then link to this report as an example.

Just saying...  many of us just like your reports and don't want to get involved in Tau discussions.   Also you might get more Tau-player traffic that way (instead of us unwashed greenskin players  ).

Good report though.   I like your use of vassal's lines to show who shot who.  I may have to incorporate that into my own reports.

[Colonel Marksman]

The battle reports themselves are a tribute to a number of comments I've seen on TO, not just a bat rep. It's a reply to those comments, not something I'm getting defensive over.

Suggestion:   maybe next time you could post your report in an more neutral way and then post your defense of your tau tactics on the Tau Boards and then link to this report as an example.

My use of Tau is a Tactica article. Thanks for the suggestion. 


As for the lines, I actually have a very difficult time using those. They are a real pain to put together for Tau because of the long-range aspect. I use Paint because it's quick, easy, and I can choose a variety of colors.

[space wolf bob]

You might wanna just have one line per unit instead of trying to get a line from every model next time.  Be alot quicker to do (not that it takes along time anyway) but it also makes it alot easier to see on a quick glance instead of a big blob of yellow :S

[Colonel Marksman]

You might wanna just have one line per unit instead of trying to get a line from every model next time.  Be alot quicker to do (not that it takes along time anyway) but it also makes it alot easier to see on a quick glance instead of a big blob of yellow :S

If you see a lot of lines in any of my bat reps, just know I don't draw a line for every model... there'd be too many! Example, in turn 2, I'd have to drawn 52 lines to get it right, 27 or 28 to satisfy the picture.

It's really easy, actually. Each picture probably took me 25 seconds to make at the most.

[dethdukk]

You might wanna just have one line per unit instead of trying to get a line from every model next time.  Be alot quicker to do (not that it takes along time anyway) but it also makes it alot easier to see on a quick glance instead of a big blob of yellow :S

If you see a lot of lines in any of my bat reps, just know I don't draw a line for every model... there'd be too many! Example, in turn 2, I'd have to drawn 52 lines to get it right, 27 or 28 to satisfy the picture.

It's really easy, actually. Each picture probably took me 25 seconds to make at the most.

I agree with marksman in this one.  1 line would be easier/cleaner, but lots of lines gives the idea of a lot of firepower pouring in.  makes it look cooler in my opinion, and it isnt that hard to read just because of the extra lines.