is it just me?...

[rabidmonkey0403]

is it just me or does it seem like GW hates orks? they needed a new codex more than the bugs but they got one. and acording to my info the new ork book is not comming out untill 2007!!!

[Doctor Thunder]

You misunderstand.

New codex does not mean better codex.
Take my Tyranids, for example.  Not only can I no longer field the army I have, but the possible armies I can come up with are far weaker then the army I had.

My Speed Freaks is currently my best army.  Better then my Guard, Marines, Tau, or Tyranids. 
I say, wait until 2008, give me another three years with my army just the way it is.

[Kangaroo Joe]

I have to agree with Monkey....normal Codex Orks really DO need an update.

[rabidmonkey0403]

i know im kinda complaining BUT orks are supposed to be these hulking monstrosities yet the are as strong as Joe Blow imp gaurdsmen. also when imbued with the power of the WAAGH!! they are insanely fast but they only go as fast as a normal marine. so if GW would only make them S4 and I3 maybe then all would be good.

[Warboss Korrik]

I see alot of problems with that. Although i do think their should be a new codex ( at least for fluff and clan rules maybe even something to make your own clan.)
1) if they give mroe stregnth in the basic boy the points will defiantly go up. What could they lower? Ws? with choppas its theres a 50% chance they will fail. 4 attacks on charge, we already have a better chance of hitting with more attacks.
2) they are called Skarboyz, use them if you want the stregnth in cc.
3) Orks are meant to have the low inititive due to their Orkiness ( they arent exactly the brightest guys out there. also with the power of the waagh it would become unfare to many other groups with an initive of 6.
4) Orks are pretty good as they are stat and point wise and are also considered one of the most balanced armies.

[ShasOJeff]

The ork codex is one of the best, most balanced codexes/codices there is. Nothing really needs fixed. The grabba-stik, that's it really. Making the klan rules tournament legal wouldn't hurt either. What they really need is new models. The trukks still have 2nd edition ork drivers! And the warbike models kinda........suck. And plastic grots might make them a little more practical for massive hoardes. I know that converting is part of what makes orks so enjoyable, but they could at least make models for half of what's in the codex.....

[IVEATCH]

The ork codex is one of the best, most balanced codexes/codices there is. Nothing really needs fixed. The grabba-stik, that's it really. Making the klan rules tournament legal wouldn't hurt either. What they really need is new models. The trukks still have 2nd edition ork drivers! And the warbike models kinda........suck. And plastic grots might make them a little more practical for massive hoardes. I know that converting is part of what makes orks so enjoyable, but they could at least make models for half of what's in the codex.....

Excellent and succinct post!!  My thoughts exactly!  I DO like the conversion aspect of Ork armies, however.

Best Regards,

[BloodiedFangs]

i know im kinda complaining BUT orks are supposed to be these hulking monstrosities yet the are as strong as Joe Blow imp gaurdsmen. also when imbued with the power of the WAAGH!! they are insanely fast but they only go as fast as a normal marine. so if GW would only make them S4 and I3 maybe then all would be good.

joe blow guardsmen, as you call him, is the peak of unmodified imperial human fitness and strength. lets not forget that by this time in the future, the entire race is larger than what we know today, probably closer to 7 foot, and thus stronger...and you're saying that orks aren't strong enough...that you, in fact, want them to be as strong as genetically engineered super-beings who lug around bolters like they're toys and can cheerfully hoist weaponry that any orks short of a nob or warboss would struggle with (imperial lascannon, plasma cannon and so on...). as well as that, you wanna make 'em faster than a space marine commander on the charge...hell, the changes you'd like would make 'em superior to berserkers on the charge

[Kangaroo Joe]

I not sure what needs changing.....but something does.

[ZombieKiller]

Without messing with the points give all Orks a 5+ (or 6+) feel no pain (or WBB type of thing, seeing in fulff it has them getting up after bolter shots in the chest etc. the only way to kill them is fire, cutting off head).

[BloodiedFangs]

yeah, and in the fluff, marines are god-like, with ten being capable of defeating an entire gaurd army...there's a reason fluff and game-play are seperate

[Doctor Thunder]

Okay, new rule:

Anytime someone says, "But in the fluff, they're really....", their opponant gets +100 victory points in the next game that person plays.

 

[Grubdakka]

Yeah, our model line really needs an update. Trukks are just plain weedy, bikes with their teensy riders look rediculus and  only a few things in our codex really needs work. The slaver grabba-stik being one, the 'uge choppa being the other. Case in point, the zoggin' thing goes last in combat as if it were a power weapon but none of the power?!?! Oh sure it adds +2 str, but so does the Etherial honorblade and it goes at init! Oh, and exact same cost I might add. An interesting fix might be to make the 'uge choppa rending. After all, it IS a big friggin' choppa! I sure would'nt complain then about it going last.

[ZombieKiller]

Or since it is a 'uge choppa make it so the enemy only gets a (5+ or 6+) armor save. Then EVERYONE would be taking them.

[ShasOJeff]

I did forget the 'Uge choppa. Has to be one of the most useless weapons ever. Why take one of those when you can take a regular choppa, or better yet...a power klaw. I would fix them one of two ways: make them strike at Intiative or Rending.

[Grubdakka]

Dear Mork ZK! Thats a really scary thought.

*Ork nob wiv 'uge choppa eyes chaos deamonlord who gulps* "Hur hur hur...lets see 'ow many whacks it takes ter get ta da chewy center.."

Very interesting thought. A great big scary axe should make even the most jaded Beekie captain wet his armor when he sees a nob with that thing bearing down on him. Hmmmm..this is starting to sound really beardy though. A 10 point peice of wargear that not only reduces your foe to little gooey...foe shaped chunks but reduces his armor save to 5+ and goes at init, just a bit much for game balance. Hmmmm..I'm begining to understand why it still goes last if it adds +2 str and reduces armor save to 4+. Going to have to do some play testing with my mate.

[Yriel of Iyanden]

I like the trukks, traks, and buggies. They are so small, and you can hide em just about anywhere!

As far as the drivers, Orks groom them for driving. See, if Orks see yoofs that really like speed, they cram em in those trukk driving compartments so they can't grow anymore. That leaves more room fer da boyz!

[sneroplex]

I like the trukks, traks, and buggies. They are so small, and you can hide em just about anywhere!

As far as the drivers, Orks groom them for driving. See, if Orks see yoofs that really like speed, they cram em in those trukk driving compartments so they can't grow anymore. That leaves more room fer da boyz!

lol!  Nice theory.

Or if one simply doesn't like the look of the old driver's, use some leftover bits from your sluggas and convert 'em up!  I swap heads, arms, torso's... whatever!

[rabidmonkey0403]

ok maybe i was wrong about the inititive part but i still think they need a better save and need to be stronger and some better wargear (uge' choppa  ). and finally some new friggin madels puhleeeese!!!

[rabidmonkey0403]

models* sorry bout that

[sneroplex]

ok maybe i was wrong about the inititive part but i still think they need a better save and need to be stronger and some better wargear (uge' choppa  ). and finally some new friggin madels puhleeeese!!!

Saves don't really need to be made better because it's a huge balancing factor... face it they're gonna die fast in combat, but you should mostly be using them as shock troops anyway so they hit so hard they have little fear for reprocussion.  As for dieing to shooting you have so many options with the army for making cover saves it's not even funny.  Not every army out there can boast 100 T4 models with 5+ saves    9 points per model is more than reasonale for a double-armed choppa toting menace carrying a huge pistol swinging considering you can take 'em in mobs of 30!  So many vicious models rolling down the field at an opponent is tough to handle, because even if only 10 out of 30 survive, that 10 is definately going to break some skulls.  Backed up by limited immunity to morale/pinning checks, and the ability to mob up... footslogging armies are nasty.

Strength is covered by Skarboyz, play Goffs if you want a S4 Orks list.

'Uge Choppa has its uses... give it to a Nob, it's fluffy... and I'm building a Big Mek retinue that has one gnarled old Mekboy that has a 'uge choppa for a 'whackin' stick' in case some bimbo space marine tries to interrupt his repairs.  Give it to a slaver too leading a grots mob, considerably less expensive than a power klaw and almost as effective.  Hell arm Deth Koptas with 'em too for some serious drive-by shootings followed up by weed-whacking!

Models could be better though... thus one of the main elements as to why Orks are such a heavily convertable army.

models* sorry bout that

I guess I shouldn't really be the one to point it out but I guess I'll save the mods some trouble... to maintain respectable forum etiquette, when one wishes to add to a post they've already made, simply click on the edit post/modify button instead of double posting... helps out the people running the board.