Second Sphere

Quote from: The Man They Call Jayne on Yesterday at 02:15:29 AM

"I say as it stands 10 points for what you have now. 12 points if you go with true heavy bolter stats."

+2 points for +12" range, +2 Strength and -2 AP? Seriously? And they can take 10 of them? Are we just going for the most broken unit it is possible to make?

The stubber as listed here is fine as it is. It works nicely as a light machine gun tan is man portable, but it need to be stabilised to fire. It all works.

A regular stubber is strength 4 ap 6 at 36" range. Not saying use a heavy bolter stats.

12 points for +1 str, -1 ap, + 12".
At 12 points its equal to tau. Also unlike Tau if this unit moves they sna fire.

Wrong!!

None of the "Stub" weapons listed in the Rulebook have any AP (They're all AP-). There is also no "Rifle" stub gun, only the two Shotgun variaties (Guard & Astartes) and the Pistol.

I personally don't think a renamed Heavy Bolter is good as a Standard Weapon. Not even Marine Devastators and Chaos Havocs have that, and pay at least their base cost again to take them.

This is sort of why I suggested the OLD Hot-shot Lasgun stats. Essentially just a Lasgun with AP5. It could even remain Heavy 3 with that sort of statline.

Looks cool so far. Though I wonder why you didn't go with ye olde Hot-shot lasgun (The one thats AP5).

I don't think Heavy 3 is really justifyable. I'm pretty Sure Space Marine bolters by fluff would be Heavy 10 (Though I'm sure someone will correct me on that XD)

What kind of Special Rules are you considering?

With Respirators like that, maybe they could be immune to grenades like GK Pysk-out, or Tau Photon.

I feel it could do with more to differ it from both the Storm Trooper unit, and Vets. (Stubber already mentioned)

So, I figured that even if it doesn't go anywhere, that maybe I should keep a record/blog/plogg going of the models I'm making from scratch. I could use it as blog material, but I don't think I have anything of real substance yet.

So far I've started four models:
- Salamander
- Fire Goblin
- Arachnid Knight
- Human

Here are the initial "Armatures" for the models (left-right; Salamander, human, Fire Goblin, AK):


I've managed to put some time into them, giving them some more bulk. (left-right; Salamander, Fire Goblin, Kinght, Human)


I'm mostly using these as practice for model making in general. Its slow, to tell the truth

Critism and Suggestions would be most appreciated ^_^

Well, I still only have one entrant

Will this be all the Members wishing to participate?

If so, then maybe some should/could start some practice games with RC?

I can make up a couple bland army lists using Old Tau, New CSM, Black Templar and Imperial Guard, if people want to practice against me. Just make sure to send me a note with dates and times you'll be able to game.

I'll do a quick tally of numbers, and make a short list of who is facing who in the first round, and we can take it from there ^_^

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One thig I'm surprised no one has mentioned is any sort or "Prize" for the Winner. Curently, I was just thinking of maybe a Custom Award Seal for the winner, and I could try and coerce the Moderation team to gift Karma for everyone that participated

Heres a link to a Space Wolf blog. I'm sure it has some interesting point about combating Tau.

http://space-wolves-grey.blogspot.co.uk/

Anybody have any links to good Sculpting tutorials?

I have four armatures that need bulking up, and I don't want to screw them up.

Oops, should've known I'd forget something.

1st Round is 750pts, and it goes up by 500pts per round, so by round 6, Everybody will have 3250pts to play with, and if we go to a Tie-breaker, I'm feeling like it should be 4000pts to make it trully epic

I'll go add it into the OP.