New Daemons Codex Rumors (and Pics)

[Begel Dverl]

Echoing from Dakkadakka

Preorder 23rd February, release 2nd March.
Official teaser video:

New release list posted by pizzaguardian, with added prices by BOLS and Hitsugaya Toushiro over at Warseer and pics from Plastik Krak's blog:

New Range Items

Warhammer: Daemons of Chaos
96 page full colour, hardback Warhammer Armies book € 39,00 / $49.50


Codex: Chaos Daemons
104 page full colour, hardback Codex € 39,00 / $49.50



Chaos Daemons: Plague Drones of Nurgle
This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes three Plague Drones that are multi-posable and offer collectors a large variety when assembling them € 46,00 / $60.00


Chaos Daemons: Burning Chariot of Tzeentch/Herald of Tzeentch on Burning Chariot of Tzeentch
This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes either a Burning Chariot of Tzeentch or a Herald of Tzeentch on a Burning Chariot of Tzeentch € 35,00 / $40.00




Chaos Daemons: Blood Throne of Khorne/Skull Cannon of Khorne
This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes either a Blood Throne of Khorne or a Skull Cannon of Khorne € 35,00 / $40.00




Herald of Nurgle
This Clampack contains a new plastic Herald of Nurgle on a sculpted base € 20,00 / $25.00 



New Finecast Releases

Herald of Khorne
A clampack that contains one highly detailed Citadel Finecast resin miniature € 20,00 (probably $25.00 as well)


Herald of Slaanesh
A clampack that contains one highly detailed Citadel Finecast resin miniature € 20,00 (probably $25.00 as well)




Available While Stocks Last
These Items are highly limited, please request the quantity you require and we will supply you as close to this number as we can.

Warhammer Battle Magic: Daemons of Chaos
A deck of 21 cards that contains the 6 spells for the Lores of Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh as well as their signature spells  € 8,50

Psychic Powers: Chaos Daemons
A deck of 12 cards that contains the Primaris powers and 3 Psychic powers for the Lores Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Nurgle as well  € 6,00


Added:

WFB: Chaos Daemons Battalion/Battleforce $115.00

I am one to think that they aren't coming out just yet, but maybe with the April release. With rules rumors being hard to come by let us look at some obvious ones right in front us and others not so much.

As most people realize Daemons will lose both Fearless and Eternal Warrior replaced with 5+ invulnerable and Fear. Eternal Warrior never really made sense in the grand scheme of things anyway because wouldn't Force Weapons be perfect to "banish" Daemons back to the War? As for Fearless, see a return of "instability" which is going to be close to 5th edition Fearless.

As I stated in a previous rumor GW is hell-bent on having each army hate something. Daemons are no different they just seem to hate themselves now.

Taking a look at the Chaos Space Marine and Warriors of Chaos books you can see where this is going. Each Chaos God units will hate a certain other god. This leads into the next rules change right in front of us. Depending on the Daemon's God it will determine the special abilities they get.

Khorne: Furious Charge

Slaanesh: Rending, Run bonus, Fleet

Tzeentch: Re-roll 1s for saves

Nurgle: Slow & Purposeful, Shrouded

Other changes that will surely happen...

Flamers and Screamers are getting nerfed, but the real big change will be Deamons having standard Deployment rules: no more Daemonic Assault.

The big reason Deamons were fast tracked has to do with Alessio Cavatore. Chatting with a few inside GW there has been an everything Alessio purge, and Daemons are the last big chunk of Alessio material left. Yeah, I know it sounds kinda petty, but it was a major impetus to get Daemons done. Daemons will still primarily be an assault based army, but that is the nature of the models having to be used both for Fantasy and 40k. That means Daemons will rely on speed to get across the board. Expect Chariots, warp portals, beasts, cavalry, jump troops to help with all this. Then there is cover saves Nurgle is the first piece of the puzzle, but just like certain Dark Angel things expect a "Clouds of Flies" to provide bonuses to cover saves all around. Chaos Space Marines and Deamons ICs will be able to join each other as long as their gods match up.

Things have been spares from all rumor mongers, but a lot has to do with GW "renewed" lock down; translated GW rumor monger wack'a'mole.

Another good thing to understand is GW is moving quicker with releases than ever before. They had almost an entire year to create a backlog on sculpting and rules. To give you an example, the Chaos Space Marine codex was done in December of 2011. I am not talking about just the rules, but everything the photography, the layout, everything! Dark Angels same thing, done in March 2011. That means Daemons have been done since June and Tau and Eldar compelete or almost complete.

What I am getting at is this is going to be an epic year for releases, with only the Chapterhouse lawsuit and a new CEO possibly getting in the way.

Finally, I have a public service announcement from the dev team, they really want rules questions, so everyone keep on sending in any rules quandaries to

[email protected]

The design team has made updating FAQs a priority, which has been a marked and great change from years past.

Old Post

Our best rumour source Hastings said that we will see Codex and armybook for Daemons of Chaos February latest, so it is time to collect some rumours:

Daemons of Chaos:

I know we have only just had a wave of Daemons but now we have this from hastings:

Release Date:

"The daemon rules should be taken as a stepping stone to the updated book (much like the wd vc terrorgheist article) next 4 books (for both systems are all chaos (in one form or another) and will hit within 4-5 months for all of them". (Hastings).
To clarify....Books: CSM, WoC, DoC, Chaos Daemons

All will be realeased within 4-5 months of the CSM codex hitting (sep afaik) (Hastings)

So we are talking february at the latest?

Author:
Unknown

Rules:
Unknown ... Beyond those suggested by the rules booklet in the recent WD

Models:

All 4 greater Deamons will get plastic kits (with head/weapon options plus wfb/40k specific bits on sprues) and that there will be "resin conversion packs" to make "named greater Deamons". (Hastings) No idea of timescales on this. I am not expecting them to arrive together Or with this wave. (Harry)
Jes Goodwin is rumoured to be doing the Bloodthirster. (BRING IT ON! ) No timescale for this. (NatTreehouse)

By feb next year you'll have CSM, WoC, DA, DoC, CD (chaos daemons 40k codex before anyone starts with chaos dwarf crap!).

Obviously the 2 daemon books will be in one month sharing model releases

Well, what I heard ... was two waves of models AND two 'waves' of Greater Daemons. In other words the Greater Daemons would be coming in two pairs.... which makes sense..... not many of us would be able to crash for all four in the same month! However ... until hastings posted I had heard nothing about a book .... for either system.

The models I've had a lot of rumors on are:

Khorne chariot, two bloodcrushers pulling a wagon with herald option or some fire belching thing. Large base

Tzentch chariot, pulled by screamers, with horrors riding, but I've also heard it has a large flamer rider too. Large base

Nurgle palanquin, nurglings, daemon prince base, fat plague bearer.

4 GD with variants for named daemons and swappable options, most rumors point to resin packs, but I've heard wind its all in the plastic kits lately. I'd lean towards Harry's news, but I hope for all in one myself. I have heard that these may be moving to the larger base now, if so, they will be huge. One can hope, but I don't have a lot of confidence in this bit.

Furies (no dual kit options I've heard of.) in plastic.

Plastic fiends were being worked on at one point, but I haven't heard anything about them recently.

New elite daemon engine. 40k Dreadnought sized. Lots of options. Quasi-God specific bits like the soulgrinder. Supposedly unique to daemons not the same as this new unit for chaos space marines.
(...)
The list has been largely debunked by Hastings in the 40k thread. So I would not be sure, and my sources say furies are a single use box of 5. (however, the VC horrors kit also was told to me to be a single use kit...I think its pretty much a good example of how a dual kit furies might be.)

Both Khorne and Tzentch kits have been describe to me to build multiple units, similar to the slaaneshi chariot building 3 different models...albiet one which needs 2 boxes. So maybe not as obvious...

Did anyone actually say anything to you about what exactly those other units were?

See original post.
Big khorn flame belcher thing
Tzeentch Larger flamer instead of horrors.
Sounded like more ranged options for the daemons.

[Chicop76]

I read some stuff months ago. I guess they really losing fearless and eternal warior. Once I get my codex I will see how they will work with my army now or see if I have to buy new models etc. I'm not too excited, because in 5 th they was nice and in 6th I lost the joy in playing them. The new codex will either make me like the army more or hate it.

I liked the ds evrything due to making the army unique. Also losing eternal warior is big. Fateweaver without eternal warrior is a huge thing. Also the same goes for the bloodthirster.

I hope this isn't one of those things to get you buy a bunch of stuff. I want some chariots, but I really want to see how everything works out.

[Begel Dverl]

I read some stuff months ago. I guess they really losing fearless and eternal warior. Once I get my codex I will see how they will work with my army now or see if I have to buy new models etc. I'm not too excited, because in 5 th they was nice and in 6th I lost the joy in playing them. The new codex will either make me like the army more or hate it.

I liked the ds evrything due to making the army unique. Also losing eternal warior is big. Fateweaver without eternal warrior is a huge thing. Also the same goes for the bloodthirster.

I hope this isn't one of those things to get you buy a bunch of stuff. I want some chariots, but I really want to see how everything works out.

I dunno about those Khorne chariots....

They look stright out of the Wacky Races cartoon.



Also, the flies look kinda wierd. In a bad way.

[Osiris]

i will say that the new models will look interesting to say the least. will be nice to see some painted and on a board in the coming months. whether or not i think GW releasing another revised codex is a good idea is a different story altogether. i am hoping though that it gets people who stopped playing their daemons to pick them back up again...but not so much so that you have people try and powergame with it or jump on the army bandwagon cause its now much better or something along those lines. just my rambling opinion and a pet peeve.

[knightperson]

3 Plague Drones for $60? $20 each for those things?  They're moderately interesting models, but be serious. I am NOT gonna pay a price like that!

And I still don't understand why 40k Daemons are getting a new codex this soon. There are so many other armies more deserving of one (and I'm even a Daemons player).

[Cammerz]

One of those articles suggested that GW are trying to 'purge' all the Alessio Cavatore material. Not entirely sure why but it would explain why they're getting this reboot.
Personally I'm not really happy with any of the new models with the possible exception of the Burning Chariot of Tzeentch. Also, the picture from the codex in White Dwarf says that those Plague Drones are 'Jet Pack Cavalry' really?

[Chicop76]

3 Plague Drones for $60? $20 each for those things?  They're moderately interesting models, but be serious. I am NOT gonna pay a price like that!

And I still don't understand why 40k Daemons are getting a new codex this soon. There are so many other armies more deserving of one (and I'm even a Daemons player).

I'm looking foward to the Tzeentch chariots more than anything else.

To be honest out of all the books out there I think Tau, Eldar, and Black Templar are the only ones who have older codexes. Also keep in mind they just did Chaos Marines, so it does make sense to have both books come out within quick order.


I stoped playing daemons due to them being on evryone's band wagon. It's partially my fault due to the beating I dealt out in 5th. Anyway I'm waiting on the new dex and will play a few games and may get more models.

[Begel Dverl]

New Daemons are all up for advanced order now on the GW website.

40k: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCatsLarge.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

Fantasy: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCatsLarge.jsp?catId=cat440004a&rootCatGameStyle=wh

Previously unrleased content include LE Codexes with one of the 4 gods on the cover, illustrated by John Blanche.

[Chicop76]

I just preordered my stuff. It appears that daemons now have psychic powers since you can order the cards. Also I notice that mono armies might be a big thing since you can order a mono force of each daemon army.

[Begel Dverl]

I just preordered my stuff. It appears that daemons now have psychic powers since you can order the cards. Also I notice that mono armies might be a big thing since you can order a mono force of each daemon army.

If you pre-order the codex and recieve it, would you care to give us a dumbed-down version of the changes?

I'm sure a lot of the people on here would want to know the buffs/nerfs of the new Daemons.

[Chicop76]

I just preordered my stuff. It appears that daemons now have psychic powers since you can order the cards. Also I notice that mono armies might be a big thing since you can order a mono force of each daemon army.

If you pre-order the codex and recieve it, would you care to give us a dumbed-down version of the changes?

I'm sure a lot of the people on here would want to know the buffs/nerfs of the new Daemons.

No prob. Although I will be out of town when it comes in. Also it will take a day or two to fully readthe book so I am thinking I will respond around the 10th. That being said I may do a quick glance read which is hard to do with 6th books, because you have to search a lot with the material.

From what I am gathering so far it seems the army will have a major change. Depending on that change I may play it more or change my army.

So far chaos marines is ok with good stuff if lucky can be awesome.
Dark Angels received grey knight love.
I am curious if this book is a major nerf like sisters of battle, or a super buff. I got the burning chariot, but want to read the book more before I get any other models. I am excited due to this book being the first book to come out with a major army I play with.