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Title: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Narric on December 10, 2013, 12:54:53 pm
Sent a PM to a member I think can help with thise, but I think that some forum imput would be useful as well.

At present there is a Second Sphere Apparel and Merch store currently operated by in-active Admin FT.
My personal opinion on the content is that it is a little bland and filled with unneccessary items. (Baby and dog clothes are totally something the majority of us want :P)

My thoughts was to make a new store with basic content, and run contests to generate some varied content for it. In addition, the money generated for the sales can be used for the running csts of the forum, and for pre-purchasing of prizes for other contests. This would mean much more varied prizes, and hopefully more companies interested in supporting the contest.

What is the opinion of the forum as a whole on this? Would anyone feel responsible enough to maintain the store itself and be trusted with the profits?
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: silverfuge on December 10, 2013, 02:50:17 pm
The problem is most of the profit would be eaten by pay pal charges. My club has a a couple of wholesale accounts but we keep them inhouse so as to not be classed as a business which this would be. 
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Narric on December 10, 2013, 02:56:17 pm
Those the paypal account have to be business though? we're not setting out for profit, just to help fund Forum only projects and the like.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: silverfuge on December 10, 2013, 03:01:30 pm
I understand but as the shop would open to anyone its classed as a business. (we get around it as only our members can access it and we are a members only club) it would be a business and therefore possibily attract tax/ni so if said person on jsa/pip (only in uk as thats all i know) they would have spare allowance to cover. wWe went through all this for club.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Narric on December 10, 2013, 03:21:21 pm
Checking paypal, there is an option fo £0 pcm fees, only the sale fees, which would only be 3.4% + 20p per transaction. The % goes down the more we sell according to this, by my understanding.

Double checking 3.4% +20p is the rate for Personal Paypal users anyway.

This is ofcourse only looking at Paypals info. I personally haven't yet looked at Zazzle, or similar online stores.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: silverfuge on December 10, 2013, 04:00:20 pm
Wonder if it maybe better to speak to a store. We get a 20% discount through GCN with The outpost-sheffield on top of their 10% discount. I wonder if yu contact them if they could work something out for you? 
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Narric on December 10, 2013, 04:11:57 pm
That would work for models, and other game systems, but not for Second Sphere stuff. Nor would it really be useful for making contests for Member generated content.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Sorck on December 10, 2013, 06:47:18 pm
The biggest problem is probably handling any stock that we may have. Unless of course the orders are handled differently. Or the products are digital. :P
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Narric on December 10, 2013, 06:50:01 pm
To my understanding of stores like Zazzle, you merely upload the designs, and the Website does the production, shipping and postage. The base price reflects that somewhat.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Thantos on December 10, 2013, 08:28:22 pm
You can get a paypal which takes 3.4% plus 20p per transaction. This is what i use for Zealot. We have a 2S paypal set up using this scheme already.

Tax wise - this is not going to be an earner, just covering hosting costs and keeping Sorck fueled up with Relentless so he keeps coding new jazz for the site ;) There will be no tax on this unless it earns over £8,465 (i forget exact figure) profit, not revenue, per annum.
It should be registered to someone young, unemployed and not earning already (else it would be cumulative to current day-job earnings and be taxed)

[spoiler] Or not registered at all, its not for profit, its under the tax threshold, its not going into a bank account. If any cash is made, we can do some extra nice contest prizes or annual awards or have a few extra free kegs of beer at a 2S meetup! :P) [/spoiler]
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Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Narric on December 10, 2013, 08:37:02 pm
I believe I have an old Contact number for FT. I'll send him a text and see if he responds :P

I had asumed this is what we'd have to do. The odd thing is, i think Sorck is one of the few who meet the critiria of being young and not employed :P though of course we can except others stepping up to take responsibility.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: silverfuge on December 10, 2013, 09:20:37 pm
Good luck with ft. I have some log in details for one he set up for me to use for 2s/my club. I agree with Thantos but means you cant claim prizes fir tax purposes If we had a member in Bradford we could run through the store as I havnt the time to post things in affraid.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Narric on December 10, 2013, 09:24:42 pm
Seems the number I have for FT is no longer listed. Texts won't go out. :(

I doubt we should really claim Prize purchases for tax, if we're not getting taxed for the sales of our Merch :P
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: silverfuge on December 11, 2013, 09:33:01 am
Did say he fallen of the planet since finding out he going to be a daddy.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Thantos on December 11, 2013, 05:59:49 pm
Did say he fallen of the planet since finding out he going to be a daddy.

Well congratulations to him on the new broodling! :D
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Narric on December 16, 2013, 12:11:25 pm
Considering the following:

Quote from: Sorck
The server has about 10 days for FT to pay for it else it'll go offline again...

Would anyone object to me creating a "Second Sphere" E-mail account, and making a new PayPal? I'm hoping I don't need a Bank account to make it work.

I'll of course give Sorck and Thantos the Password to both the Paypal and E-mail. Does that sound like a good idea?

Once the paypal is set up, I'm sure we could easily set-up a Merch store, and start next year off proper ^_^

If anyone doesn't agree (or at least has a good reason or better idea), I won't go forward with it.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: InsaneTD on December 16, 2013, 01:11:27 pm
Sorck wanted to set up a email on the site. See if he's got that working.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: silverfuge on December 16, 2013, 11:40:18 pm
Is it really a case if FT dont pay in ten days it all goes offline?
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Sorck on December 18, 2013, 05:05:29 pm
Is it really a case if FT dont pay in ten days it all goes offline?
Well from what I remember, there's a 30 day or so payment grace period and we were at about 3 weeks into that when I looked at the logs. It might be longer than 30 days but I'm not sure.

Sorck wanted to set up a email on the site. See if he's got that working.
We do have e-mail accounts but they're based on the server that we use for everything else. I might try merging them into my Google Apps account as they can reliably sustain the e-mail server.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: silverfuge on December 19, 2013, 11:57:44 am
So this really is a case of ft screwing you guys. Im sorry for that I can try and get contact with him but I think his fiancee has banned him from speaking to me tbh. What do you guys need from him?
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Narric on December 20, 2013, 11:54:32 pm
I'd assume just login information for the Paypal Accounts, and possibly the Zazzle store already running currently.

Thats all I can think of. Thantos and Sorck may have other things they can suggest/ask.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: silverfuge on December 27, 2013, 06:19:14 pm
Do we know if Ft has made a payment? The server is also shared with a charity who are interested in taking over it from Ft. I have put a message for him to contact the charity via his brother.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Thantos on December 27, 2013, 06:32:31 pm
Why is life on 2S so hard?  :(

What was the paypal account name? Can you see that Sorck? Since im 50% confident i can remember the password if i knew the email.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Sorck on December 27, 2013, 06:53:53 pm
We don't have anything due until mid January it appears.

What was the paypal account name? Can you see that Sorck? Since im 50% confident i can remember the password if i knew the email.
I'm probably in the same situation. I'd have to dig around to find the address though.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: silverfuge on December 30, 2013, 11:02:59 am
When I next on a pc I maybe able to get it if I can remember the password for the shop he set me up.
Title: Re: Second Sphere Apparel and Merch Store
Post by: Narric on February 26, 2014, 06:12:52 pm
OK People!

So we now have access to the Zazzle store, and I'm wanting some suggestions for items you'd want to see there.

We currently have up for people to purchase are:

All can be purchased at the following webstore: http://www.zazzle.co.uk/ftyross