https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lix3d/lix-the-smallest-3d-printing-pen-in-the-world
To be honest, when I first so this i was sceptical, as whenever I think of 3D Printing, its always with bulky desktop machinary.
If this could work with plastic or resin, its would be great for adding detail to models, such as bulky out areas.
What do you guys think?
That is a very impressive bit of kit. I can see great things being done with it. People making custom sigils or banners, stuff like that, detailing work as you say. But also, if you have enough of the stuff, you could make whole models.
The part where the write lix in the air is crazy.
Seems awesome.
Id be happy if they named it correctly. This is no more 3d printing than a Biro is an Injet Printer!
Its a glorified gluegun which you feed plastic filament into rather than glue - gah!
May be useful for making armatures when sculpting. But not for the price IMO. Ill stick with wire.
Welp, there goes the neighbourhood. Why outsource to someone who knows what they're doing and just screw up yourself ::)
http://themicro3d.com/
£210 for a desktop 3D printer is a good price, though I do fear it will make people who 3D print on demand as a business kinda "Elitist" or something, as everybody is going to do it.
On the flip-side, if you're wanting to start a small business that requires small [parts, it definately is useful.
As I've said, i simple fear this will flood the internet with poor quality 3D printed products......
As I doubt it'll be of sufficient quality to print any kind of miniatures, it won't be of much use for miniature production/conversion.
It all depends on what the parts are... you can't print high levels of detail usually. Though if you have to print a particular fiddly gear set that isn't going to have much torque applied to it then I suppose it'd be great. I'm sure I could find things to do with one though... but I doubt I'd get my moneys worth.
Its cheap and cheerful, it likely wont work well, did you see the QUBD printers which were also 200 quid a few months ago?
They made all these claims of printing for the masses, cheap parts, anyone can do it etc etc. Now look at the reviews from people who have received their printers. :P https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=qu-bd+problems Doesnt mesh up.
The lead screw has wobble, which varies the z step causing failed prints, the extruders jam often and the printer tends to break down. Combined with little to no customer support.
The micro i trust even less than i trusted QUBD - simply because their website only shows renders and computer graphics from keyshot. When launching the KS they hadnt even built or tested a working printer. So how do they know it works!
And plus - get a load of that detail for printing miniatures! COOOR!
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/001/998/240/e3b5c1f6cce4053cc1ca43a2090c7b07_large.jpg?1399885366)
http://store.quintessentialuniversalbuildingdevice.com/product.php?id_product=144
I'm buying a 3D printer soon to actually save me money (I 3D print a lot). Not necessarily the one above but might interest you guys. It's a self assembly kit.
Quote from: Unholy Harbinger on June 07, 2014, 11:02:30 AM
http://store.quintessentialuniversalbuildingdevice.com/product.php?id_product=144
I'm buying a 3D printer soon to actually save me money (I 3D print a lot). Not necessarily the one above but might interest you guys. it's a self assembly kit.
QUBD is short for quintessential universal building device :P Read the reviews about them!
Quote from: Thantos on June 07, 2014, 09:32:07 AM
did you see the QUBD printers which were also 200 quid a few months ago?
They made all these claims of printing for the masses, cheap parts, anyone can do it etc etc. Now look at the reviews from people who have received their printers. :P https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=qu-bd+problems Doesnt mesh up.
The lead screw has wobble, which varies the z step causing failed prints, the extruders jam often and the printer tends to break down. Combined with little to no customer support.
The printers we're seeing right now might not be that amazing, but it's all building up. Another couple years and we'll be printing our armies...
-Kur'os
Bullshit. Games workshop would lose too much money. They'll do everything they can to stop that.
Quote from: Thantos on June 07, 2014, 11:06:52 AM
They made all these claims of printing for the masses, cheap parts, anyone can do it etc etc. Now look at the reviews from people who have received their printers. :P https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=qu-bd+problems Doesnt mesh up.
The lead screw has wobble, which varies the z step causing failed prints, the extruders jam often and the printer tends to break down. Combined with little to no customer support.
Dear lord, i hadn't got to the stage where I was looking at the reviews yet.... That's actually a skill to have that many problems.
Quote from: Tybalt Defet on June 12, 2014, 12:31:47 AM
Bullshit. Games workshop would lose too much money. They'll do everything they can to stop that.
I don't think GW has enough money to actually stop the 3D printers of the right quality and price being produced. However, they would sue anyone producing a 3D model that looked remotely like any of their IP in an attempt to prevent it from being available... and they'd likely win.
I also doubt it'll only be two years. I'd think we're looking at 5-10 years before the low cost technology is of sufficient quality to rival the quality of most miniatures.
To get comparable quality as well as price, it's a decent number of years off, IMO.
Not to mention that GW and others will advance their own moulding techniques during that time. 3D Printing might reach a, "good enough," cheap and cheerful level, but I bet you even ten years from now you'd be able to tell a 3D Printed copy from the original.
I can't see them becoming the revolution people were saying they'll be for the last couple of years. Expense has to drop, they have to become point-and-click with extremely rare hiccups and no need for calibration. Even then, look at Printers. Woohoo, you can print out exactly what you want...and then a couple of years later WiFi hits, everyone's mobile and connected to Facebook to send and receive photos, and printers were relegated to the office and occasional CV printing spree.
All to do with scale really :P I'm sure you've all seen those 3D printed houses that I believe are in China? 3DP is also being tested in the medical field as a better technique for skin grafts. With the right minds behind it, there is not much to limit the tech beyond the scale of what you're printing.
I agree we will be able to tell the copies from the originals, but with enough time even that will become difficult.
I believe GW already does 3D printing, as I remember seeig the Skaven Hell Pit abomination being sculpted digitally at the Games Day I attended (2010 I think it was). I also think some of the newer kits would also have been sculpted digitally, especially ones with highly fiddly/detailed designs.
Sculpted digitally doesn't necessarily mean that it's 3D Printed, though. They've been doing 3D sculpts for a long time now, longer than 3DP has been popular for.
Those establishments are using industrial-scale, expensive, high-precision machinery to create those products. It's like comparing your innkjet printer to the ones Saatchi and Saatchi would use.
Quote from: Narric on June 12, 2014, 09:32:34 AM
I believe GW already does 3D printing, as I remember seeig the Skaven Hell Pit abomination being sculpted digitally at the Games Day I attended (2010 I think it was). I also think some of the newer kits would also have been sculpted digitally, especially ones with highly fiddly/detailed designs.
They will have been using digital models for quite a number of years as it's much easier to produce an injection mould from a digital model than anything else. In this day and age you can actually 3D print the mould itself which is helpful for large scale miniature production.
Though it's possible that other tools were used to create the injection moulds, I'm not sure how capable the traditional wasting processes are with such fine details.
Quote from: Sorck on June 12, 2014, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: Narric on June 12, 2014, 09:32:34 AM
I believe GW already does 3D printing, as I remember seeig the Skaven Hell Pit abomination being sculpted digitally at the Games Day I attended (2010 I think it was). I also think some of the newer kits would also have been sculpted digitally, especially ones with highly fiddly/detailed designs.
They will have been using digital models for quite a number of years as it's much easier to produce an injection mould from a digital model than anything else. In this day and age you can actually 3D print the mould itself which is helpful for large scale miniature production.
Though it's possible that other tools were used to create the injection moulds, I'm not sure how capable the traditional wasting processes are with such fine details.
Either they 3D printed a positive to make the negative mould. Or milled it out with high precision CNC. The top of the line CNC millers with 1.2jiga-axis-of-movement (Okay maybe not that many :P) are insanely precise, you can carve statues with them and there won't be any visible deviation from the model.
Quote from: Sorck on June 12, 2014, 08:40:43 AM
Quote from: Tybalt Defet on June 12, 2014, 12:31:47 AM
Bullshit. Games workshop would lose too much money. They'll do everything they can to stop that.
I don't think GW has enough money to actually stop the 3D printers of the right quality and price being produced. However, they would sue anyone producing a 3D model that looked remotely like any of their IP in an attempt to prevent it from being available... and they'd likely win.
I also doubt it'll only be two years. I'd think we're looking at 5-10 years before the low cost technology is of sufficient quality to rival the quality of most miniatures.
Bolded part is what I meant. They can't do shite about 3D printers, but they can go after the people selling/distributing digital models, and 3D printed models of their stuff. Most of the gaming companies will. And they won't sell the files themselves because once people have it, they won't need to buy it again.
GW could create a new business model. They produce 3D printers and sell the material for them. You can then buy a 3D model from them and you can print it, but you only receive a license to print a certain number of them and the printer is incapable of printing anymore. You never know, it could work.
Careful Sorck, you'll give them ideas :P
Quote from: Sorck on June 12, 2014, 05:25:32 PM
GW could create a new business model. They produce 3D printers and sell the material for them. You can then buy a 3D model from them and you can print it, but you only receive a license to print a certain number of them and the printer is incapable of printing anymore. You never know, it could work.
I'd use an arduino to siphon out the machine code and save it to a file. Then print as much as I frigging want :P
Quote from: Unholy Harbinger on June 12, 2014, 09:54:12 PM
Quote from: Sorck on June 12, 2014, 05:25:32 PM
GW could create a new business model. They produce 3D printers and sell the material for them. You can then buy a 3D model from them and you can print it, but you only receive a license to print a certain number of them and the printer is incapable of printing anymore. You never know, it could work.
I'd use an arduino to siphon out the machine code and save it to a file. Then print as much as I frigging want :P
And this is why that will never happen.
Some new meat to chew on, and an updated thread title :P
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/creopop-the-world-s-first-3d-pen-with-cool-ink
Draws in 3D without using heated plastic or polymers.
That's a pretty awesome thing.
On the large printer note I cam to the conclusion that this is one of the best budget printers around:
http://printrbot.com/shop/simple-black-assembled/
If you're willing to assemble it yourself, you save $190 :P
Having a quick glance at the price in £, its just over £250 including Tax and Postage, for the dissassembled kit. ~£370 for the pre-assembled kit.
Quote from: Narric on July 03, 2014, 07:44:39 PM
If you're willing to assemble it yourself, you save $190 :P
Having a quick glance at the price in £, its just over £250 including Tax and Postage, for the dissassembled kit. ~£370 for the pre-assembled kit.
I was going to assemble myself. Plus customs are less likely to hit me with the VAT if the box is smaller :P
I wonder how well that creopop ink handles filing or sanding. Or if it sets into an almost hard gelatin type thing which would crumble under any real pressure
Well it can take out water being poured on it so it can't be too fragile. I wouldn't use it to make full models though, maybe effects so it looks like a plasma weapon is actually firing or such.
If I'm not mistaken, this 3D printing pen works with ABS or PLA material. I'm not just quite sure if other filament such as this http://www.3d2print.net/shop/3d-printer-filament/elastic-filament/ is suitable for this tool. It's very handy than a desktop 3D printer machine. And not bad, it's very affordable at only £99.99.
Quote from: miguel77 on September 10, 2014, 01:16:13 PM
If I'm not mistaken, this 3D printing pen works with ABS or PLA material. I'm not just quite sure if other filament such as this http://www.3d2print.net/shop/3d-printer-filament/elastic-filament/ is suitable for this tool. It's very handy than a desktop 3D printer machine. And not bad, it's very affordable at only £99.99.
Do you own one? If you do, please show some pics of what you have made using the device :) Would be great to hear some genuine first hand experience :)
An interesting developement in 3D Printing technology.
http://www.iflscience.com/technology/terminator-style-3d-printer-materializes-objects-pools-liquid
Its claimed to be both faster, and precise, meaning higher detailed models faster than standard 3d Printing Technology. It uses a liquid solution, light and air. Oh, and was inspired from Terminator 2, so there is that.
Depending on the initial costs for purchasing the tech, this could be a game changer for third-party parts makers like Zealot.
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For the sake of keeping the forum a bit tidier, I've merged the 3D Printer Pen thread into the Printer & Pen thread.
It's essentially a much faster version of processes used in printers like the form 1: http://formlabs.com/products/form-1-plus/
They are very good at high detail though for me the resins lack structural integrity and can cost quite a lot.
Me and my prusa have been getting along very well though! :)
(http://i.imgur.com/0ArA55H.jpg)
Quote from: Narric on March 19, 2015, 10:49:44 PM
An interesting developement in 3D Printing technology.
http://www.iflscience.com/technology/terminator-style-3d-printer-materializes-objects-pools-liquid
Its claimed to be both faster, and precise, meaning higher detailed models faster than standard 3d Printing Technology. It uses a liquid solution, light and air. Oh, and was inspired from Terminator 2, so there is that.
That's awesome. Thanks for the link. :D Its almost identicle to DLP technology (which they seem to forget to compare to or mention on their website anywhere ::)) but having no release cycle for each layer is a big bonus, as that's the problem that causes failed prints. Speed is good, as im waiting 48 hours for some prints on high resolution now.
They say it can do 20um (not sure what axis, all axis?) i doubt the XY axis with trying to control the placement of oxygen. But have subscribed to that, and if it looks good, will likely trade in my B9 DLP printer for it!
Only problem is the "oxygen permeable" coating is likely PDMS silicone which is used in my DLP printer at the moment, this degrades after a handful of prints, so will have to watch that.
Nice one Unholy! Hows are the prints looking? I need a spool holder like that still for the Printrbot Metal :( What made you pick this over the printerbot metal?
I have three running at Zealot, one is the Solidscape 3ZPro, does layers down to 6 microns with a 22micron printhead. Expensive, slow, expensive material, fragile parts made from wax. But detail is the best available.
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e146/Eddievedda/SAM_2323_zpsmxajo1p1.jpg)
Other is the B9C HD 1.2 which is fast, decent detail. I just persuaded some other guys like MaxiMini and Anvil Industry to buy a B9, since its cheap for the high quality you get.
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e146/Eddievedda/SAM_1864_zpsvedcc2so.jpg)
Other one is the Printrbot metal, which im thinking of selling, since i hardly ever get anything to print on it.
Wow that's some nice printing setup :D
I went for the prusa over the simple metal as it has a more ridgid build and far better options to expand. People have difficulty taking printr bots to printing ABS even whereas prusa are routinely taken up to polycarbonate and nylon printing which are two pretty good materials for what I want to do. :) Just need to upgrade my print head (about £40) and I can use them. The more ridgid build improves the speed I can print at while maintaining quality prints. Plus I now have an 8" build area which while in my rnomal running isn't needed (5" cubed max for 90% of my prints) the option is nice. My printer actually is being used by a friend to spawn another (It's wierd to think of a 3D printer having a family tree but repraps have a very log one!).
This one was also cheaper, of course it's been a PITA at times but I always wrangle it back round. More functional than form printing, now prepare for some picture bombs!
Spoiler
(http://i.imgur.com/DHXtia7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZZkEdai.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cKnBAOw.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vfP81td.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/VVjm84B.jpg)
Here's me attempting to take a picture while it printed, gives you an idea of speed:
(http://i.imgur.com/jEGC6AQ.jpg)
Yeah I print a lot of robots. :P They have to be tough though hence the desire for better materials, here's how brutal it can get:
https://youtu.be/ra9JjY45TKI?t=2h37m25s
(If you're wondering why I ignored the call to stop, I'm not mean. A spectator called it not the opponent (meaning it isn't a valid forfeit).)
Lol you destroyed them! Great video :D now i want to try xD
Sounds like your application is definitely strength, stuff i make shatters if you drop it! :P
Check these maybe? http://www.proto-pasta.com/shop/ if you approaching a weight limit
http://www.proto-pasta.com/shop/
I envy you both for having 3D Printers :P
That fight seemed brutal. Is your bot seriously the same weight as the oother two? It seemed like two humans fighting a giant in skyrim with only shields :P
If I had the funds and space Thantos, I'd ask how much you're selling your PrintrBot for. I've been eyeing up the new ones from the producer for a while now.
Yeah those are the sorts of things I'm looking at. I offset most of my cost of printing by printing robots for other people and made a (tiny) business out of it. Though I'm branching out rapidly! :D One of my main products (I guess) is silicone moulded wheels giving robots more push. Made the moulds hubs and everything on my printer.
Those two robots I was fighting weight the same together (2 75g robots) vs 1 150g robot. They would have stood a chance if my robot (HSOD) hadn't broken the white one so early, it impacted the faceplate of the gearbox into the gearing stopping it dead. :P
My printer cost me about £500 for it, some components to make a heated bed and a couple rolls of filament. It's effective cost to date is minus several thousand the amount of money I've saved buying my own!
Well if it tempts you, i can do the assembled printrbot for £450 including a full KG of PLA which is £20 or something.
http://robosavvy.com/store/3d-printing/3d-printers/printrbot/printrbot-3d-printer-simple-metal-black-pre-assembled.html
If not, will go on ebay later.
Sounds good UH! Always a good day when an asset pays for itself! Post a thread of ur fighting vids! These remind of being 7 and watching Robot Wars on TV again :D The Razer team lived down the road from me xD