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Title: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: BigToof on January 28, 2015, 02:56:01 am
Hi All,
Just FYI for those of you who may not know, but Harlequins are BACK.

Right now, they've put out info on the Solitaire (beastly, with nice rules and stats; WS9 BS9 moves 12" ignores terrain and for a turn can ignore all models and get 10 attacks) and the Troupe.

No info yet on the codex, but they're all nicely priced with a Harlie about the same price as a Marine and the Solitaire less than 150.

Improved kisses (one additonal S6 AP2 hit), with the option for old school rending on 6's to hit, 1d3 S6 HoW hits, AP2 fleshbane pistols and fusion pistols on EACH MODEL.  Yes, they still have flip belts, furious charge and Hit and Run.

Add to it that there's a new transport and a lot of hidden bits still hidden away, this could be a big, big release.

Just when I thought it was going to be a bland year...

Best,
-BT
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Sorck on January 28, 2015, 11:34:48 am
Oh this sounds promising - it's a shame I sold my harlequins recently!

If the Shadowseer is the same as it was once upon a time then harlequins will now be a very difficult bunch to stop. Though I assume it'll be more like the current shadowseer in which case Harlies will die quite easily. (Though one assumed the Solitaire has some improved abilities so as to stay alive longer).

You really don't have to release a whole lot for a Harlequin release to be fairly big. :P
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Narric on January 28, 2015, 01:13:39 pm
I'm more curious to see if they expand the Harlequin range to include units from the old 2nd ed codex.
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: salamut2202 on January 28, 2015, 03:57:54 pm
Well all the eldar verities have been expensive glass hammers and don't the leaked dataslates attest to that! I mean ap2 fleshbane flamers? Up to 12 fusion pistols? 4th edition rending? Potentially 36 strength 6 hammer of wrath attacks ON TOP of the 49 furious charge regular ones? I mean that is at its most expensive wow DAMN! If it weren't for overwatch I would just surrender to all that, and we don't know what the Black Library things are, transport options do or the warlod traids.

Speaking of which, the potential of the solitaire..... my Dark Eldar totting GF has been drooling all over these.

Colour pics:
http://bailedemascarasnegras.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/harlequins-revelados-reglas-y-miniaturas.html (http://bailedemascarasnegras.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/harlequins-revelados-reglas-y-miniaturas.html)
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: BigToof on January 30, 2015, 03:50:27 am
I'm looking forward to the possibility that Eldar MIGHT assault something in this day and age.

Best,
-BT
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Wargamer on January 30, 2015, 10:43:42 am
Finally! If only my 'Quins hadn't vanished years ago.  :(
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Narric on January 30, 2015, 11:26:16 am
They'll return from the webway I'm sure WG :)

http://bailedemascarasnegras.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/harlequins-revelados-reglas-y-miniaturas.html
Am I the only one seeing some sort of wrist-mounted whip weapon amongst the weapon pictures?
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Irisado on January 30, 2015, 06:58:02 pm
It's great that they are being separated from regular Eldar forces once again.  They really don't belong as an add-on in an Eldar codex.  The downside will be balance.  They're a very difficult force to balance correctly.
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: BigToof on February 01, 2015, 12:43:13 pm
As long as they have some kind of way to get into assault, then they'll be great.
Even if they're not, I'll get a unit for my Archon to run with.  Assuming that is that they'll be allies with Eldar/DEldar...

I hope they keep the Death Jester and the Shadowseer.

Hmm... interesting...  The Solitaire seems to be an elite choice.  Who's the HQ then?

Best,
-BT
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Irisado on February 07, 2015, 12:18:05 pm
Having a Solitaire as an HQ wouldn't have made sense, as they've always been independent specialists, not commanders.
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Charistoph on February 08, 2015, 09:01:08 am
Having a Solitaire as an HQ wouldn't have made sense, as they've always been independent specialists, not commanders.

They can still be an HQ, but just not an IC.
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Sorck on February 08, 2015, 01:28:40 pm
So how do we go about our HQ for a Harlequins force if the Solitaire isn't a HQ choice?

I'm not really sure on the new army section symbols... it was a lot easier when it simply said "HQ", "Elites" etc rather than having a symbol.
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Charistoph on February 08, 2015, 05:00:35 pm
So how do we go about our HQ for a Harlequins force if the Solitaire isn't a HQ choice?

I'm not really sure on the new army section symbols... it was a lot easier when it simply said "HQ", "Elites" etc rather than having a symbol.

So long as a Formation or another Force Organization Chart comes along, an HQ isn't necessary.  The Inquisition does not rely on Troops.  The Imperial Knights, Assassins, and Legion of the Damned have no HQs or Troops.
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Narric on February 08, 2015, 06:23:15 pm
The Silkweavers look interesting. Kind of like Dark Eldar Reavers, combined with SM Attack Bikes.
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Irisado on February 09, 2015, 08:33:48 pm
They can still be an HQ, but just not an IC.

Are we talking from a rules perspective or a background perspective?  I was referring to the narrative, so we may be talking at cross purposes here.
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Charistoph on February 10, 2015, 04:38:42 am
They can still be an HQ, but just not an IC.

Are we talking from a rules perspective or a background perspective?  I was referring to the narrative, so we may be talking at cross purposes here.

Considering the game designers try to match a bit of narrative in to the rules, it could easily be both.  And just because one is not the most charismatic person, one can lead by example.  Of course, the Solitaire could just as easily fit the same area/role as an Assassin.
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Irisado on February 12, 2015, 06:56:49 pm
The background for the Solitaire in all previous versions of the army list or narrative isn't compatible with the Solitaire being a commander.
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Narric on February 12, 2015, 08:20:59 pm
On the GW website, the solitaire is very much in the Elites slot, and I think some of the White Dwarf photos have shown the Soltaire as an elites choice in the army list.

My only reference point is the old 2nd ed CA army list, which puts the solitaire as an elites choice then also.

Strangely, it seems the Shadowseer has taken a downgrade, going from a HQ choice to an Elite.

I do wonder if we shall be seeing a return of the "Great Harlequin," as the Harlies default HQ choice. Or maybe we'll get a "Master Shadowseer." HQ choice which may also serve as a replacement/alternate model for the solitaire as well.
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Irisado on February 14, 2015, 01:42:35 pm
The Solitaire being elite makes sense, so I'm happy with that :).

If GW really wanted to take a trip back to the past, they could always bring back an HQ like the High Avatar or something like that.  I doubt that they will though.
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Charistoph on February 14, 2015, 10:33:20 pm
Harlequin Detachment's interesting. 

A lot of Troops, even more Elites available, little in the way of Heavy Support, and no HQs.
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Narric on February 14, 2015, 10:39:25 pm
Heaviest option the Harlies had in the days of yore seems to have been the humble Venom. I'd hardly call it a Heavy Option compared to its Dark Eldar offsprings, though I'm sure there is space for a new Harly heavy to surface :)
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: salamut2202 on February 15, 2015, 05:41:43 pm
The mask of -2Ld can be combined with the armour of misery or the terrify psychic power - so much ouch. I mean combines with psychic shriek......I don't want to be taking Ld 3 tests with those psychic powers around.
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: BigToof on February 15, 2015, 07:09:48 pm
the Jester is sort of hilarious.  If you have him and kill a model you force a morale check at -2 and he gets to control which way your opponent's units fall back.  I.e.  you can force them off the board or have them run towards you in fear.  That makes assault much more valuable and also provides board control.

Best,
-BT
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Irisado on February 15, 2015, 10:41:35 pm
Ideas like that are not new, they're adaptations of old Harlequin rules from the Rogue Trader and second edition rules ;).
Title: Re: Harlequins Are HERE
Post by: Charistoph on February 16, 2015, 03:15:12 am
Heaviest option the Harlies had in the days of yore seems to have been the humble Venom. I'd hardly call it a Heavy Option compared to its Dark Eldar offsprings, though I'm sure there is space for a new Harly heavy to surface :)

True, but for now, it's just a Venom with a heavier gun.