[IG] Heavy Weapons Teams - Upgrades and Use?

[Narric]

This is a two parter.


Part 1
Do heavy Weapons Teams follow similar rules to Space Marine Attack bikes?

They are modelled as being two guardsmen on a single base, same as ABs are two Space Marines on a single AB. They are equipped with both the Standard gear of the Infantry Squad/Veteran Squad, along with the Heavy Weapon.

So can one model fire the Heavy Weapon, whilst the "Spotter" fires their Lasgun, or do they both need to man the same weapon (fire either the Heavy, or their lasguns)?

Part 2 - Veteran Squad specific
A Heavy Weapon team for a Vet squad still has the same standard wargear of the unit (Lasgun, Flak, Grenades, ETC). An option for Veterans is to swap their Lasguns for Shotguns.

Do I swap the Veterans for the Heavy Weapon team first, meaning the HWT can't have Shotguns, or do the Vets get their Shotguns before being given a Heavy Weapon, meaning they do have shotguns?


Does that make sense at all?

[Sorck]

Not sure if 6th will have changed this but...

1) They are not two IG on a single base. They are rather a single two wounded IG. Therefore the base can only fire a single weapon.

2) I don't have the codex in front of me but I assume it'd be an upgrade for specific types of guardsmen. Therefore you probably can't give shotguns to the sergeant or HW team.

[Narric]

Not sure if 6th will have changed this but...

1) They are not two IG on a single base. They are rather a single two wounded IG. Therefore the base can only fire a single weapon.

Alright then, I'll go by that.

2) I don't have the codex in front of me but I assume it'd be an upgrade for specific types of guardsmen. Therefore you probably can't give shotguns to the sergeant or HW team.

To quote the upgrade line:

Any Veteran may replace his Lasgun with a Shotgun [free]

Another thing for thatis at no point does the codex state that the Vet Weapons Team be treated as Artillery.

[Cammerz]

Not sure if 6th will have changed this but...

1) They are not two IG on a single base. They are rather a single two wounded IG. Therefore the base can only fire a single weapon.

2) I don't have the codex in front of me but I assume it'd be an upgrade for specific types of guardsmen. Therefore you probably can't give shotguns to the sergeant or HW team.

For question 2, a Veteran Sergeant can purchase a shotgun (for free) but the wording for the HWT states that two Veterans are replaced with a Veteran Heavy Weapons Team so you cannot give them shotguns or anything else which says that Veterans can be given X.

EDIT: The HWTs are not Artillery, if you look in the back of the rulebook you will see that they are just Infantry

[Narric]

Not sure if 6th will have changed this but...

1) They are not two IG on a single base. They are rather a single two wounded IG. Therefore the base can only fire a single weapon.

2) I don't have the codex in front of me but I assume it'd be an upgrade for specific types of guardsmen. Therefore you probably can't give shotguns to the sergeant or HW team.

For question 2, a Veteran Sergeant can purchase a shotgun (for free) but the wording for the HWT states that two Veterans are replaced with a Veteran Heavy Weapons Team so you cannot give them shotguns or anything else which says that Veterans can be given X.

EDIT: The HWTs are not Artillery, if you look in the back of the rulebook you will see that they are just Infantry

I agree, if you look at my post again, you'll see I said "at no point."



Thanks for the help guys. I guess my model will be a little bit illegal

[Cammerz]

Thanks for the help guys. I guess my model will be a little bit illegal

It won't matter, I can't really see any time where you'll be firing the reserve weapon and not the main one.

[Sorck]

Thanks for the help guys. I guess my model will be a little bit illegal

It won't matter, I can't really see any time where you'll be firing the reserve weapon and not the main one.

Although not a common thing it could happen.

It would be better to fire a shotgun rather than a lasgun against a grot would it not? Especially if you were running away from said grotz...
However, as you can't get a shotgun, it's only useful when you need to move and shoot.

[InsaneTD]

And they could snapfire the lasgun now anyway.